**SPONSOR** Try Blue Chew for free at https://www.bluechew.com with promo code NADAV Become a producer on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/VeryNadavShow Someone made a subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/VeryNadavShow/ This week my guest is Ben Avery. We learn about his journey from dog food monger to podcaster. We find out we both have roots in the Lemon Party, what steps Ben took to teach himself useful skills in order to start taking on clients, and how to find "your people." We talk about the most important traits to have in order to start getting work, how to get better at your craft, and the risks of being in this business for a while.